Time Magazine: Thanks for promoting Team Handball, but save us your naïve solutions

Time Magazine’s Sean Gregory is in Beijing covering the Olympics and wrote a nice article about his discovery of the great sport of Team Handball: “Hey America, what about Handball?

Unfortunately, as is often the case in these sorts of articles, the second half of it self destructed into a very naïve and implausible solution for turning around the recent performance of the US Men’s National Team. Gregory, who played college basketball at Princeton, is undoubtedly smart enough to know that at least some of what he proposes is just plain unrealistic, but I’ll deconstruct the article at face value for those that might not see the dry humor. In short, his proposed solution has no chance of either being implemented or succeeding.

How about this: before the qualifying tournaments for the 2012 Olympics, corral a mix of solid ex-college basketball players, and recently retired NBAers. Ideally, you’d get current NBA players, but qualifiers would happen during the NBA season so they wouldn’t be able to break free.

1) Mr Gregory is a little confused on the the qualification process for the Olympics. The USA has two paths for qualification: The World Championships and the PANAM Games and there are qualifying matches just to get to those tournaments. The World Championships route is much more difficult, so the PANAM Games would be the focus for this proposed strategy. The good news, though, is that the PANAM Games are in the summer: All those ex-NBA players eager to play Handball would be available!

2) I could be wrong here, but I think it would be tough sell to get a retired NBA player to attend a month long training camp to learn a new sport. I’m sure these retirees would also appreciate the more physical nature of Handball.

3) In general, “solid” ex-college basketball players still harbor aspirations of becoming an NBA player. If they can’t make it in the NBA directly, there are numerous opportunities to earn decent salaries in Europe. And there are enough feel good stories about players playing in Turkey, Russia, Venezuela, the CBA for several years and then breaking into the NBA that ending that dream to learn a brand new sport is a very tough sell. But there is a segment of decent college basketball players who have transitioned to playing Team Handball. As opportunities to play basketball overseas have increased, however, the number and the quality of athletes willing to make that transition has declined.

Put the college players and pro retirees in a camp for a month. Bang, the U.S. should be in the Olympics. Handball players and the USOC will tell you the game is way too technical, and it takes years to learn all the tricks. I’m not convinced that’s the case. Who dribbles better than American ballers? The goal on defense it to shuffle your feet and keep your man in front of you. Basketball players practice this in grade school. On offense, it’s “work to find the open man.”
Sound familiar? Even the world’s best admit handball is fairly straightforward. “It’s not a difficult sport to practice,” says Victor Tomas of Spain. “It’s not a difficult sport to learn.“”

4) Team Handball is an easy game to learn, but a difficult one to master. Dribbling, is actually challenging for former basketball players to learn due to the fact that “palming” the ball is called very closely. The timing and the techniques for shooting and passing takes years to master. Mr Gregory does hit on one point accurately, though. Defensive tactics in Team Handball and basketball are very similar. New players have often very quickly become good defensive players.

“Once the U.S. is the Olympics, take that group of NBA players who’ve always wanted to be Olympians, put them in a summer camp before the Games, and bang, you have a medal contender. For an Olympic medal, you need the absolute best pros possible.”

5) If it’s a tough sell for middling college hoops players, it, of course, would be a tough sell to the very best professional athletes. In fact, many of the best NBA players, don’t even want to play basketball at the Olympics

6) And even if you got those very best players and they agreed to commit with 100% dedication to a month long training camp with the World’s best coaching they would not compete for a medal. The World’s best Team Handball squads are a notch or two below the NBA in terms of athletic ability, but they would not be overwhelmed athletically. Their years and years of experience would be enough to compensate the athletic shortcomings. Hmm… Come to think of it, aren’t the European basketball teams also athletically inferior? And our NBA all-star team sometimes loses to those teams in basketball—Now we’re going to beat them in a game we’ve only played for a month— Why, that’s ridiculous.

That’s ridiculous, you say. What sports executive would let a multi-million dollar investment play some silly sport in the off-season? Well, if basketball general managers let their guys play Olympic basketball in the summer and hockey bosses permit their stars to play in the Olympic tournament during the season, why wouldn’t they let them hurl the handball? They’re much less likely to get hurt in a sport that every kid in gym class can play. Plus, it’ll keep them from crashing motorcycles during the off-season.

7) Less likely to get hurt: Tell that to Pascal Hens and Ivano Balic, two top players recently injured at the Olympics. Serious injury is a definite risk. In fact, some Mark Cuban like noises are starting to be made by the top Handball clubs in Europe about all the National Team competitions.

And what happens to those poor guys who qualified for the Olympics? If they know they’re not going to play in the Olympics, why play hard in qualifying? Well, we never said the U.S. should publicize this plan. Cruel? Sure. But this is an arms race. Plus, have you seen those Chinese sports schools? Next to them, this strategy is saintly.

8 ) Well, here’s an interesting side note for you. Shortly before the 1996 Olympics USA Team Handball was approached by NBA star Sean Kemp’s agent about the possibility of his player, playing Handball for Team USA in Atlanta. Sean Kemp would fulfill his Olympic dream and USA Team Handball would get some much needed publicity. The only downside was that some player who had trained for several years for his Olympic moment would have to be bounced. To USA Team Handball’s credit Mr Kemp was told that he was welcome to try out, but that he would have to earn a roster spot. To the best of my knowledge, Mr Kemp never found his way to a National Team Tryout.

But that’s just the quick fix for 2012 — anything is better than what the U.S. has now. Around, say, 2011, find a group of committed athletes who have no options in other pro sports, house them in the USOC’s Colorado Springs training center for weeks at a time, and start shooting for 2016. Give them stipends. Offer them the Olympic dream. The USOC does this in minor sports like wrestling and rowing. Why not do it for handball?

9) Uhh. Been there, done that. This was the model that was used in the 1980’s through 1996, and it did bring the USA some marginal respectability. As the sport has become more professionalized in Europe, this model, however, has struggled to produce decent results. It might still qualify a team for the Olympics, but it won’t create a team that can compete for a medal.

If funding is a problem, steal money from the budget of insane sports we’ll never be good at. Modern pentathlon? Ski jumping? Biathlon? What’s the point? It’s so much simpler for Americans to throw a little ball around than shoot stuff after skiing. Cede that to the Nords.”

10) Well actually, those sports have had better results than Team Handball. I’m all for the USOC contributing to Team Handball at the expense of other sports, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon. In fact, the USOC has been pretty clear in stating that they will be more inclined to fund sports that have a good chance of medaling as well as multi-discipline sports where more medals are awarded.

What’s more, the handball world wants the U.S. to succeed. In fact, France plans to hold a tournament for its club teams in Miami next year, in order to promote handball in the States. “America is a great country,” says French player Jerome Fernandez. “Look at baseball, basketball, American football. The U.S. knows how to build a sport.” Christophe Kempe, another Frenchmen, gets a bit whimsical. “It was always my father’s dream to have handball become big in the U.S.,” he says. “Maybe I’ll become a trainer in the U.S. one day.” Remember, these are French guys saying this.
The rest of the world knows an Olympic sport is ripe for an American invasion. “I tell people all the time that if the U.S. starts playing team handball,'” says David Davis of Spain, “‘it’s over for the rest of the world.'” It may be too late for Beijing. But it’s time for the U.S. to give itself a hand.

11) No problems here for me. Although I will say that while the rest of the World might want the U.S. to succeed, they haven’t done much until recently. I’ll save that diatribe for another posting.

Women’s Group Play (Round 4) (Fri, 15 August) (Thu Night/Fri Morning in USA)

[b]Scheduled Matches (Beijing Local Time)[/b]
0900-1030 Match 1: Kazakhstan vs. China
1045-1215 Match 2: Brazil vs. South Korea
1400-1530 Match 3: Germany vs. Sweden
1545-1715 Match 4: Romania vs. Angola
1900-2030 Match 5: France vs. Norway**MSNBC, Fri 1145-1315 [East Coast, USA Time]
2045-2215 Match 6: Hungary vs. Russia

[b]Video Links:[/b] http://www.nbcolympics.com/handball/video/index.html
Suggested match(es) to watch: Based on match results, video we’ve seen and feedback from other Handball news sites we will suggest the top match of the day to watch.

[b]Notes:[/b]
– Group A: France will battle Norway for seeding, while China will look to put themselves in the quarterfinals with a victory over Kazakhstan. Romania should have no trouble with Angola.
– Group B: South Korea, Russia and Hungary have all but advanced to the quarterfinals. Germany, Sweden and Brazil are in a battle for fourth place. Germany will likely advance with a win over Sweden today. Sweden is in virtual control of their own destiny and will probably qualify if they can beat Germany and Brazil on Sunday. Brazil will likely advance if Sweden beats Germany and then loses to Brazil on Sunday.

[b]- Betting lines:[/b] According to betting comparison site, bestbetting.com, these are the point spreads for Sunday’s matches: China (-4.5), South Korea (-6.5), Germany (-2.5), Romania (-10.5), Norway (-5.5), and Russia (-4.5)

Click on “Read the rest” for match results, current standings and news concerning the matches for this day.

[b]RESULTS[/b]

[b]Group A[/b]
Kazakhstan 29 – China 26 (14:10)
Romania 28 – Angola 23 (16-7)
Norway 34 – France 24 (15-12)

[b]Group B[/b]
Brazil 33 – South Korea 32 (17:12)
Sweden 27 – German y 26 (13-13)
Russia – Hungary ( – )

[b]Detailed Results:[/b] http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idart=1452

[b]Standings[/b]: http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/HB/C76/HBW400000.shtml#HBW400A02

[b]Group A[/b]
Rank Team Pts MP W T L GF GA Diff
1 Norway 8 4 4 0 0 130 83 47
2 Romania 8 4 4 0 0 127 88 39
3 France 4 4 2 0 2 103 107 -4
4 China 2 4 1 0 3 101 117 -16
5 Kazakhstan 2 4 1 0 3 85 113 -28
6 Angola 0 4 0 0 4 85 123 -38

[b]Group B[/b]
Rank Team Pts MP W T L GF GA Diff

[b]Quarterfinal Matches (based on current standings):[/b]
Norway vs. 4B
2B vs. France
1B vs. Kazakhstan
Romania vs. 3B

Men’s Group Play (Round 3) (Thu, 14 August) (Wed Night/Thu Morning in USA)

[b]Scheduled Matches (Beijing Local Time)[/b]
0900-1030 Match 1: Germany vs. Egypt
1045-1215 Match 2: Poland vs. Brazil
1400-1530 Match 3: South Korea vs. Iceland
1545-1715 Match 4: China vs. Spain
1900-2030 Match 5: Denmark vs. Russia
2045-2215 Match 6: France vs. Croatia**MSNBC, Thu 1345-1430 [East Coast, USA Time]

[b]Video Links:[/b] http://www.nbcolympics.com/handball/video/index.html
Suggested match(es) to watch: All the Group B Matches, but the Denmark – Russia match was truly exciting.

[b]Notes: [/b]
– Group A: This group looks to be somewhat settled. China and Brazil have not impressed and don’t look like they have much of a chance to beat any of the other four teams. This means the other 4 teams, France, Croatia, Spain and Poland are likely to make the quarterfinals, with the only question as to where they will be seeded 1-4. Today’s France – Croatia match should help decide that today.
– Group B: This may well be the most wide open group in Olympic history, with all 6 teams still having realistic expectations for making it to the quarterfinals. Egypt and Denmark are in nearly must win situations. Perhaps Egypt will get a break against Germany today, who will be smarting from the injury and loss of Pascal Hens for the rest of the tournament
– Group B’s wide open status might be giving the top 4 teams in Group A some second thoughts on winning the group, particularly if Denmark slips in as the 4th seed in Group B.

[b]- Betting lines: [/b]According to betting comparison site, bestbetting.com, these are the point spreads for Sunday’s matches: Germany (-3.5), Poland (-9), Iceland (-2), Spain (-14.5), Denmark (-2.5), and France (-1.5)

Click on “Read the rest” for match results, current standings and news concerning the matches for this day.

[b]RESULTS[/b]

[b]Group A[/b]
Poland 28 – Brazil 25 (14:15)
Spain 30 – Poland 29 (16-12)
France 23 – Croatia 19 (11-9)

[b]Group B[/b]
Germany 25 – Egypt 23 (14:14)
South Korea 22 – Iceland 21 (10-9)
Denmark 25 – Russia 24 (10-10)

[b]Detailed Results:[/b] http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idart=1453

[b]Standings: [/b] http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/HB/C76/HBM400000.shtml#HBM400A01

[b]Group A[/b]
Rank Team Pts MP W T L GF GA Diff
1 France 6 3 3 0 0 90 64 26
2 Croatia 4 3 2 0 1 83 66 17
3 Poland 4 3 2 0 1 90 74 16
4 Spain 4 3 2 0 1 95 82 13
5 Brazil 0 3 0 0 3 65 95 -30
6 China 0 3 0 0 3 60 102 -42

[b]Group B[/b]
Rank Team Pts MP W T L GF GA Diff
1 Iceland 4 3 2 0 1 87 82 5
2 Germany 4 3 2 0 1 81 79 2
3 Korea 4 3 2 0 1 76 78 -2
4 Denmark 3 3 1 1 1 78 78 0
5 Russian Fed. 2 3 1 0 2 83 85 -2
6 Egypt 1 3 0 1 2 73 76 -3

[b]Quarterfinal Matches (based on current standings):[/b]
France vs. Denmark
Germany vs. Poland

Iceland vs. Spain
Croatia vs. South Korea

Women’s Group Play (Round 3) (Wed, 13 August) (Tue Night/Wed Morning in USA)

[b]Scheduled Matches (Beijing Local Time)[/b]
0900-1030 Match 1: Russia vs. Brazil
1045-1215 Match 2: Romania vs. France**MSNBC, Wed 1030-1115 [East Coast, USA Time]
1400-1530 Match 3: South Korea vs. Sweden
1545-1715 Match 4: China vs. Angola
1900-2030 Match 5: Norway vs. Kazakhstan
2045-2215 Match 6: Germany vs. Hungary

[b]Video Links:[/b] http://www.nbcolympics.com/handball/video/index.html
Suggested match(es) to watch: Based on match results, video we’ve seen and feedback from other Handball news sites we will suggest the top match of the day to watch.

[b]Notes: [/b]
– Group A: This group has diverged into 2 groups of 3. Romania, France and Norway are all undefeated and will likely take places 1, 2 and 3. The Romania vs. France match today should start to settle that placement. China, Angola and Kazakhstan are all winless and will battle it out for 4th place. The China – Angola match will help settle the battle for 4th place. Kazakhstan surprised France by keeping the game close on Monday. They will try be hard pressed to do the same against Norway.
– Group B: Brazil’s dramatic comeback against Hungary has thrown this Group wide open. Korea, Russia and Hungary are all tied for 1st with 3 points a piece. Germany has 2 points and will try to rebound from the 10 goal shellacking Korea gave them in their match Sunday. Brazil and Sweden will take on the other group leaders, Russia and South Korea, respectively.

[b]Betting lines:[/b] According to betting comparison site, bestbetting.com, these are the point spreads for Sunday’s matches: Russia (-6), Romania (-3), South Korea (-5.5), China (-2), Norway (-12.5), Russia (-x.5) and Germany (-1.5)

Click on “Read the rest” for match results, current standings and news concerning the matches for this day.

[b]RESULTS[/b]

[b]Group A[/b]
Romania 34 – France 26 (17:13)
China 32 – Angola 24 (14-12)
Norway 35 – Kazakhstan 19 (14:10)

[b]Group B[/b]
Russia 28 – Brazil 19 (12:10)
South Korea 31 – Sweden 23 (18-13)
Hungary 25 – Germany 24 (12-14)

[b]Detailed Results: [/b]http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idart=1452

[b]Standings:[/b] http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/HB/C76/HBW400000.shtml#HBW400A02

[b]Group A[/b]
Rank Team Pts MP W T L GF GA Diff
1 Norway 6 3 3 0 0 96 59 37
2 Romania 6 3 3 0 0 99 65 34
3 France 4 3 2 0 1 79 73 6
4 China 2 3 1 0 2 75 88 -13
5 Kazakhstan 0 3 0 0 3 56 87 -31
6 Angola 0 3 0 0 3 62 95 -33

[b]Group B[/b]
Rank Team Pts MP W T L GF GA Diff
1 Korea 5 3 2 1 0 90 72 18
2 Russian Fed. 5 3 2 1 0 85 72 13
3 Hungary 5 3 2 1 0 83 76 7
4 Germany 2 3 1 0 2 68 77 -9
5 Brazil 1 3 0 1 2 69 80 -11
6 Sweden 0 3 0 0 3 71 89 -18

[b]Quarterfinal Matches (based on current standings):[/b]

Norway vs. Germany
Russia vs. France

South Korea vs. China
Romania vs. Hungary

Gro Hammerseng on Arena "Sell-Outs": “My mother can’t get in.”

You may have noticed plenty of empty seats at the Handball venue, and other sports, for that matter. Even the spectacular opening ceremonies had empty seats. The BBC has filed a report on this growing concern that there are too many half filled arenas when the events are supposedly all sold out. They spoke with Norwegian captain, Gro Hammerseng, after her team’s victory against Angola on Sunday night. Hammerseng expressed her frustration:

“Well, in the first game I was hoping for more, but I was prepared today that it wouldn’t be a full arena. But, I’m sorry that some of the Norwegian people, who are here. They can’t come into the arena. And they are in Beijing, but the can’t come in. And I don’t know why they can’t come in, because it’s not full. My mother, she can’t get in.”

According to an MSNBC story on scalping, this is a common occurence in Beijing as the supply of tickets can’t meet the demand. Speculation is that some tickets purchased by corporate sponsors are not finding their way to the scalping market. Beijing authorities are working to correct the empty seat phenomenon, though, and are considering solving it with free entry for students.

BBC Global News Summary Podcast (12 Aug,0300): http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/globalnews/globalnews_20080812-0248.mp3 (The Olympics story starts at 08:30)
MSNBC Story on Scalping: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26134234/
Gro Hammerseng Bio: http://www.nbcolympics.com/athletes/athlete=763/bio/index.html

Addendum: The New York Times has the following story on fake fans: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/sports/olympics/13fans.html?hp
A Washington Post reporter helps Swedes buy scalped handball tickets: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/08/scalping_tix_with_swedish_wome.html

Another way to look at it…

Team handball *may* have just taken off in the US.

ESPN just declared it the [link=http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer08/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3523021]most underrated[/link] of all Olympics sports!!! I dig that. You should too.

I am just a few days away from diving in to my NBCOlympics.com web commentator role. Hence, I am feverishly preparing for this assignment by watching every LIVE team handball feed I can keep my eyes open for. The 13 hour time difference is very annoying at times. Especially during the early morning hours as I am not into time shifting. Time travel? Well… maybe.

So what is there to point out following 4 days of team handball extravaganza?

I for one, am keeping an eye on the underdogs.

[color=#ff0000](if you are a time shifter, click "read more" at your own risk. I will not list scores but I may spill the beans on something you may not want to know about….)[/color]

On the Women side, Angola and Brazil showed a lot more than Sweden, Kazakhstan and China combined. Same cannot be said about the Brazilian men! They have been outclassed so far and have often looked clueless. Granted, their two opening matches were as tough as they come, as they faced the two future finalists (yep, that's right!) in France and Croatia.

Egypt however, looked poised to send the Russians home early in their second game but silly mistakes, a horrible last second defensive breakdown coupled with a bad official's call (not necessarily in that order!) prevented the African team from pulling out yet another surprise, bigger than the missed victory against the Danes, in their opening match.

Men’s Group Play (Round 2) (Tue, 12 August) (Mon Night/Tue Morning in USA)

[b]Scheduled Matches (Beijing Local Time)[/b]
0900-1030 Match 1: Brazil vs. Croatia
1045-1215 Match 2: Egypt vs. Russia
1400-1530 Match 3: China vs. France
1545-1715 Match 4: Spain vs. Poland **MSNBC, Tuesday 1430-1530 [East Coast, USA Time]
1900-2030 Match 5: South Korea vs. Denmark
2045-2215 Match 6: Iceland vs. Germany

[b]Time zone addition/subtraction from Beijing[/b]
Sydney (Add 2 hours)
Berlin (Subtract 6 hours)
New York (Subtract 12 Hours) (First match starts at 2100 hrs, the day prior)
Los Angeles (Subtract 15 Hours) (First match starts at 1800 hrs, the day prior)

[b]Video Links[/b]: http://www.nbcolympics.com/handball/video/index.html
Suggested match(es) to watch: Egypt vs. Russia, South Korea vs. Denmark and Spain vs. Poland are all worth checking out

[b]Notes: [/b]
– Injuries. Ivano Balic’s right calf injury could put him out of commission for the next 3 matches. Danish Circle Runner Michael Knudsen is out for the Olympics due to appendicitis. His appendix is scheduled to be removed today. As he is one of the world’s top circle runner’s this is a major blow to the Danish team.
– The Kometal Handball Forum had a very spirited discussion concerning the Egypt – Denmark draw. Egypt was given a two minute penalty in the closing minutes of the match for purposely delaying the game with a shot on goal after the whistle. The debate centers on whether the player could have stopped the shot in time. I lean toward the penalty being excessive, but everyone’s entitled to their opinion.
– IHF: Celebrities visit Olympic Handball: http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idcat=269&idart=1490 Former US Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger and IOC President Jacques Rogge visited the Handball Venue.

[b]- Betting lines:[/b] According to betting comparison site, bestbetting.com, these are the point spreads for Sunday’s matches: Croatia (-8), Russia (-1.5), France (-14.5), Spain (-1.5), Denmark (-4.5), Russia (-6.5) and Germany(-3)

Click on “Read the rest” for match results, current standings and news concerning the matches for this day.

[b]RESULTS[/b]

[b]Group A[/b]
Croatia 33 – Brazil 14 (18:9)
France 33 – China 19 (19-7)
Spain 30 – Poland 29 (16:17)

[b]Group B[/b]
Russia 28 – Egypt 27 (14:14)
South Korea 31 – Denmark 30 (13-14)
Iceland 33 – Germany 29 (17-14)

[b]Detailed Results: [/b]http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idart=1453
[b]Standings:[/b] http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/HB/C76/HBM400000.shtml#HBM400A01

[b]Group A[/b]
Rank Team Pts MP W T L GF GA Diff
1 France 4 2 2 0 0 67 45 22
2 Croatia 4 2 2 0 0 64 43 21
3 Poland 2 2 1 0 1 62 49 13
4 Spain 2 2 1 0 1 59 60 -1
5 Brazil 0 2 0 0 2 40 67 -27
6 China 0 2 0 0 2 38 66 -28

[b]Group B[/b]
Rank Team Pts MP W T L GF GA Diff
1 Iceland 4 2 2 0 0 66 60 6
2 Germany 2 2 1 0 1 56 56 0
3 Russian Fed. 2 2 1 0 1 59 60 -1
4 Korea 2 2 1 0 1 54 57 -3
5 Denmark 1 2 0 1 1 53 54 -1
6 Egypt 1 2 0 1 1 50 51 -1

[b]Quarterfinal Matches (based on current standings):[/b]
France vs. South Korea
Germany vs. Poland
Iceland vs. Spain
Croatia vs. Russia

Women’s Group Play (Round 2) (Mon, 11 August) (Sun Night/Mon Morning in USA)

[b]Scheduled Matches (Beijing Local Time)[/b]
0900-1030 Match 1: Kazakhstan vs. France
1045-1215 Match 2: Brazil vs. Hungary
1400-1530 Match 3: Angola vs. Norway
1545-1715 Match 4: Germany vs. South Korea **MSNBC, Monday 0700-0830 [East Coast, USA Time]
1900-2030 Match 5: Romania vs. China
2045-2215 Match 6: Sweden vs. Russia

[b]Time zone addition/subtraction from Beijing[/b]
Sydney (Add 2 hours)
Berlin (Subtract 6 hours)
New York (Subtract 12 Hours) (First match starts at 2100 hrs, the day prior)
Los Angeles (Subtract 15 Hours) (First match starts at 1800 hrs, the day prior)

[b]Video Links[/b]: http://www.nbcolympics.com/handball/video/index.html
Suggested match(es) to watch: Hungary – Brazil

[b]Notes: [/b]
– Minor glitches still with the web streaming. My video quality wasn’t as good today, but that could be due to a number of technical reasons. In terms of what will be streamed and when the trend is that the game will be streamed live if it’s not going to be on MSNBC the next day. That hasn’t always been the case, though, and NBC’s webpage doesn’t clearly state whether a game will be streamed live or not until shortly before it starts. In terms of “on demand’ options, NBC has now made all 6 games from day 1 available for viewing in their entirety. Again the MSNBC games were the last ones added.
– A small note on the commentary box provided in the web stream. Currently, it’s running about 30 seconds ahead of the video stream, so unless you want to feel like an all-knowing prescient genius about who’s going to score next, you’re better off not clicking on it.
– A few news articles of interest:
Another article on MSNBC’s Andrew Catalon: http://alloveralbany.com/archive/2008/08/08/andrew-catalon
A feature on former US National Team player Tim Lawrence in Iraq: http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/sports/display.htm?StoryID=78638
A Seattle Time reporter discovers handball: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/olympics/2008103276_olyjudd10.html

[b]- Betting lines:[/b] According to betting comparison site, bestbetting.com, these are the point spreads for Sunday’s matches: France (-11.5), Hungary (-4.5), Norway (-9.5), Romania (-6.5), Russia (-6.5) and Germany-South Korea is basically a “pick em”

Click on “Read the rest” for match results, current standings and news concerning the matches for this day.

[b]RESULTS[/b]

[b]Group A[/b]
France 21 – Kazakhstan 18 (10:8)
Norway 31 – Angola 17 (14-6)
Romania 34 – China 20 (17:11)

[b]Group B[/b]
Brazil 28 – Hungary 28 (12:17)
South Korea 30 – Germany 20 (12-9)
Russia 28 – Sweden 24 (14-12)

[b]Detailed Results:[/b] http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idart=1452

[b]Standings:[/b] http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/HB/C76/HBW400000.shtml#HBW400A02

[b]Group A[/b]
1 Romania 4 2 2 0 0 65 39 26
2 Norway 4 2 2 0 0 61 40 21
3 France 4 2 2 0 0 53 39 14
4 Kazakhstan 0 2 0 0 2 37 52 -15
5 China 0 2 0 0 2 43 64 -21
6 Angola 0 2 0 0 2 38 63 -25

[b]Group B[/b]
1 Korea 3 2 1 1 0 59 49 10
2 Hungary 3 2 1 1 0 58 52 6
3 Russian Fed. 3 2 1 1 0 57 53 4
4 Germany 2 2 1 0 1 44 52 -8
5 Brazil 1 2 0 1 1 50 52 -2
6 Sweden 0 2 0 0 2 48 58 -10

[b]Quarterfinal Matches (based on current standings):[/b]

Romania vs. Germany
Hungary vs. France

South Korea vs. Kazakhstan
Norway vs. Russia

Men’s Group Play (Round 1) (Sun, 10 August) (Sat Night/Sun Morning in USA)

[b]Scheduled Matches (Beijing Local Time)[/b]
0900-1030 Match 1: Croatia vs. Spain **MSNBC Sunday, 1330-1530 [East Coast, USA Time]
1045-1215 Match 2: Russia vs. Iceland
1400-1530 Match 3: France vs. Brazil
1545-1715 Match 4: Germany vs. South Korea **MSNBC, Sunday 0500-0600 [East Coast, USA Time]
1900-2030 Match 5: Poland vs. China
2045-2215 Match 6: Denmark vs. Egypt

[b]Time zone addition/subtraction from Beijing[/b]
Sydney (Add 2 hours)
Berlin (Subtract 6 hours)
New York (Subtract 12 Hours) (First match starts at 2100 hrs, the day prior)
Los Angeles (Subtract 15 Hours) (First match starts at 1800 hrs, the day prior)

2008 Olympics Official Site Preview of Day's Matches: http://en.beijing2008.cn/news/sports/headlines/handball/n214521618.shtml

[b]Video On Demand:[/b] http://www.nbcolympics.com/handball/video/index.html
Suggested match(es) to watch: Based on match results, video we’ve seen and feedback from other Handball news sites we will suggest the top match of the day to watch. Match of the day suggest: Egypt vs. Denmark

[b]Notes: [/b]
– Some minor glitches encountered with the online video, but overall NBC is off to a great start. The video quality is pretty good, but you may need to experiment some with your settings. For instance, I found that my laptop picture was not nearly as good as my desktop picture. This could be due to my wi-fi connection or it may be due to slower processor speed on my laptop. Rest assured, you can get a quality picture. If you can‘t the problem might very well be your computer and/or Internet provider.
– Web streams were provided for 4 of the 6 matches yesterday. Coincidentally, or not coincidentally, the 2 matches that were not web streamed will be shown on MSNBC
– NBC has added Germany – South Korea to their MSNBC schedule on Sunday
– Ivano Balic had the honor of bearing the Croatian flag in the opening ceremonies: http://www.javno.com/en/sports/clanak.php?id=170510 Romanian women's team captain, Valeria Bese did the honours for her country.
– Betting lines: According to betting comparison site bestbetting.com these are the point spread for Sunday’s matches: Croatia (-0.5 goal favorite), Russia (-0.5), France (-9.5), Germany -4.5), Poland (-10.5), Denmark (-6)

Click on “Read the rest” for match results, current standings and news concerning the matches for this day.

AP Summary: http://www.nbcolympics.com/handball/news/newsid=191749.html#croatia+wins+handball+opener
Beijing Official Site Summary: http://en.beijing2008.cn/news/sports/headlines/handball/n214527241.shtml

Detailed Results: http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idart=1453

[b]Group A[/b]
Croatia 31 – Spain 29
France 34 – Brazil 26
Poland 33 – China 19

[b]Group B[/b]
Iceland 33 – Russia 31
Germany 27 – South Korea 23
Denmark 29 – Egypt 29

[b]Standings: [/b] http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/HB/C76/HBM400000.shtml#HBM400A01

Women’s Group Play (Round 1) (Sat, 9 August) (Fri Night/Sat Morning in USA)

[b]Scheduled Matches (Beijing Local Time)[/b]
0900-1030 Match 1: France vs. Angola Video: Not Available
**TV Broadcast scheduled for 0930-1100 [East Coast, USA Time] on MSNBC
1045-1215 Match 2: Hungary vs. Sweden Video: http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/player.html?assetid=1006599&channelcode=sporthb
1400-1530 Match 3: Romania vs. Kazakhstan http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/player.html?assetid=1011335&channelcode=sporthbVideo:
1545-1715 Match 4: Russia vs. South Korea Video: Not Available
**TV Broadcast scheduled for 1330-1500 [East Coast, USA Time] on MSNBC
1900-2030 Match 5: Norway vs. China
2045-2215 Match 6: Germany vs. Brazil

[b]Time zone addition/subtraction from Beijing[/b]
– Sydney (Add 2 hours)
– Berlin (Subtract 6 hours)
– New York (Subtract 12 Hours) (First match starts at 2100 hrs, the day prior)
– Los Angeles (Subtract 15 Hours) (First match starts at 1800 hrs, the day prior)

[b]Video On Demand Links: [/b] http://www.nbcolympics.com/handball/video/index.html

[b]Suggested match(es) to watch: [/b]The match of the day was Russia – South Korea, but video is currently not being offered. Germany -Brazil is also definitely worth your time.

[b]Notes: [/b]
– In the USA, NBC will be broadcasting the Olympic Opening Ceremonies on Friday evening, 12 to 15 hours after they’ve already taken place. And it will already be Saturday morning there, so instead of watching a taped broadcast of a bunch of athletes walking into a stadium on your TV it might be more entertaining to check whether the first handball matches are available via live internet streaming. The first match will start at 2100 hrs on the East Coast. It’ll take a while to get use to, but for US fans their “Handball day” will start at that time for the first 10 days of Group play.
– The NY Times has a great feature on their website which will create an online schedule for your time zone. Additionally, it appears to be setup to support time shifting in that results are only shown if you click on that particular day.
NY Times Olympics Tracker: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/08/05/sports/olympics/2008_OLYMPICS_TRACKER.html#
– Right out of the gate, France – Angola .should be an interesting match to watch. Angola stunned the French women 29-27 in France at the World Championships, but has struggled of late. France is a consensus 3.5 goal favorite

Click on "read the rest" for match results, current standings and news concerning the matches for this day.

AP Summary: http://www.nbcolympics.com/handball/news/newsid=188131.html#russia+south+korea+deadlocked
Detailed Results: http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idart=1452

[b]Group A[/b]
France 32 – Angola 21
Romanian 31 – Kazakhstan 19
Norway 30 – China 23

[b]Group B[/b]
Hungary 30 – Sweden 24
Russia 29 – South Korea 29
Germany 24 – Brazil 22

[b]Standings: [/b] http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/HB/C76/HBW400000.shtml#HBW400A02

Rank Team Pts MP W T L GF GA Diff Team
1 Romania 2 1 1 0 0 31 19 12
2 France 2 1 1 0 0 32 21 11
3 Norway 2 1 1 0 0 30 23 7
4 China 0 1 0 0 1 23 30 -7
5 Angola 0 1 0 0 1 21 32 -11
6 Kazakhstan 0 1 0 0 1 19 31 -12 1

Rank Team Pts MP W T L GF GA Diff Team
1 Hungary 2 1 1 0 0 30 24 6
2 Germany 2 1 1 0 0 24 22 2
3 Russian Fed. 1 1 0 1 0 29 29 0
3 Korea 1 1 0 1 0 29 29 0
5 Brazil 0 1 0 0 1 22 24 -2
6 Sweden 0 1 0 0 1 24 30 -6

2008 Olympics Coverage Information

[center][size=14][b]2008 Olympics Coverage Information[/b][/size][/center]

[b]A note on Time-Shifting: [/b] To support Handball fans world-wide, who may not have the opportunity to view matches live, we are hiding match results and other news information behind the “extended post” in each news article. Additionally, we may have not seen the matches we want to see either, so our results may or may not be up to the minute. For the rationale behind this policy check out this earlier article on Time Shifting: https://teamhandballnews.com/news.php?item.539

[b]Complete Schedule of Olympic Matches:[/b] http://www.ihf.info/upload/Competitions/2008_Olympic_Games_Beijing/pdf/MatchSchedule_Beijing2008_final.pdf

[b]TV Schedules[/b]
– NBC Network Schedule (USA): https://teamhandballnews.com/news.php?item.541
– Eurosport (UK): http://britishhandball.worldhandball.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?menuid=1093&itemid=2012
– SBS (Australia): http://www.handballaustralia.org.au/Latest%20News.htm#SBS_Olympic_Schedule

[b]Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) about Handball: [/b] https://teamhandballnews.com/page20.html
– Have a question that we didn't answer? Send us an email editors@teamhandballnews.com and we will consider updating the FAQ

[b]Other Handball News Sites[/b]
– International Handball Federation: http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idcat=264
– Beijing Olympics Official Site: http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/Schedule/HB.shtml
– NBC Network (USA): http://www.nbcolympics.com/handball/index.html
– Handball-World: http://www.handball-world.com/o.red.c/home.php?LangID=2&GID=0&LigaID=0&LID=0

[b]Recent Mainstream News Articles on Handball[/b]
– Kansas City Star: Raytown South grad was pioneer for U.S. in team handball http://www.kansascity.com/sports/olympics/story/733859-p2.html
– Reuters: Know thy enemy with France's spy software: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSSYD10779620080807?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews&sp=true
– Time Magazine: Pascal Hens- Player to watch #16: [link=hyperlink url]http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1819129_1819134_1825732,00.html[/link]
– ESPN.com: 5 Most Underrated Olympic Sports: http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer08/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3523021
– San Francisco Chronicle: Net Result of Team Handball: Mayhem: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/10/SPLD128LAB.DTL
– Seattle Times (Ron Judd): Team handball mania: Ground-level opportunities available : http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/olympics/2008/08/team_handball_mania_groundleve.html
– Time Magazine: Hey, America, What about Handball: [link=hyperlink url]http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1832052,00.html[/link]
—- THN Commentary on Time Article: https://teamhandballnews.com/news.php?item.557
– MSNBC: Need a new sport? Try Handball: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26203101/
– USA Today: Team Handball America's Final Sports Frontier: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/lopresti/2008-08-14-handball_N.htm
– BBC: Never mind the golds, let’s hear it for handball: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/08/never_mind_the_golds_lets_hear.html
– The Northern Echo(UK): Games offers a helping hand to minority sports: http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/3599285.Games_offers_a_helping_hand_to_minority_sports/
– NBC Olympics: Team Handball: Where is the U.S.?: http://www.nbcolympics.com/handball/news/newsid=239457.html?_source=rss&cid=
– Wall Street Journal: U.S. Hits a Wall Trying to Recruit: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121925091288656977.html?
– The Telegraph: UK Sport toughens up on handball in bid to compete for London 2012: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/london2012/2598218/UK-Sport-toughens-up-on-handball-in-bid-to-compete-for-London-2012—Olympics.html
– USATH GM Steve (Scott) Pastorino's WLW AM 700 interview (fast forward 25 minutes in): http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/CINCINNATI-OH/WLW-AM/080822_2_mcconnell.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=CINCINNATI-OH&NG_FORMAT=newstalk&SITE_ID=1209&STATION_ID=WLW-AM&PCAST_AUTHOR=700WLW_&PCAST_CAT=Talk_Radio&PCAST_TITLE=Mike_McConnell_On_Demand
– CANWEST News Service: The Greatest Sport Canada has Never Heard About: http://www.canada.com/topics/sports/beijing2008/story.html?id=4dbec3f1-c0d8-4cb7-a8a8-ac5c200775a6
– Goldsboro News Argus: Local former Olympian talks about opportunity: http://www.newsargus.com/news/archives/2008/08/24/local_former_olympian_talks_about_opportunity/
– LA Times: Reporter gets her Olympics kicks from a hands-on game: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/olympics_blog/2008/08/reporter-gets-h.html

[b]Older News Articles of Interest[/b]
– Boston Globe: Give handball a sporting chance- Bob Ryan: http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/olympics/handball/articles/2004/08/25/give_handball_a_sporting_chance/
– Wall Street Journal: A game we ought to play- Stefan Fatsis: http://www.stefanfatsis.com/writing/weoughttoplay/
– ESPN.com: So you wanna be an Olympian?: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=olympianpart2

Handball Talk (Episode 2)

John Ryan and Bogdan Pasat preview the Men’s and Women’s Olympic tournaments, Bogdan’s job with NBC, why Team USA didn’t qualify for Beijing, the new USA Handball Federation and THN’s website plans for the Olympics.

Episode 2: https://teamhandballnews.com/request44.html

Olympic Men’s Preview

I provided my assessment on the Women’s Olympic Tournament https://teamhandballnews.com/news.php?item.519 shortly after the draw was announced. Here’s my analysis of the Men’s Draw and my predictions on who will advance from Group play and win the Gold Medal.

The 12 teams were drawn into 2 groups of 6 teams. Odds to win the Gold Medal are in parentheses and are from Betting Odds consolidation website Bestbetting.com http://eu.bestbetting.com/handball/olympics-2008/men's/winner

[b]Group A[/b]
France (2.75 to 1)
Croatia (6 to 1)
Spain (9 to 1)
Poland (17 to 1)
China (1000 to 1)
Brazil (1000 to 1)

[b]Group B[/b]
Denmark (3.5 to 1)
Germany (7 to 1)
Russia (50 to 1)
Iceland (66 to 1)
Egypt (1000 to 1)
South Korea (1000 to 1)

The format for competition is Group round robin, followed by knockout quarter finals, semifinals and final. With the top 4 teams qualifying from each group this means that 8 teams will make the “playoffs” while only 4 teams will be relegated to playing for 9th place.

[b]Group A:[/b] Looking strictly at the odds (and I agree with them) the European sides, France, Croatia, Spain and Poland should all advance. The only outside shot is that Brazil could upset Poland. Poland has not impressed in friendly competition having recently lost two games to South Korea. Friendly matches before the Olympics, however, have been notorious for meaning little and newsgroup sites indicate that Poland was fighting jetlag and backcourt star Bielecki didn’t play in either of these matches. Still this should give Brazil some hope for a surprise. In all likelihood the four European sides will simply be jockeying for seeding in the Quarterfinals.

Predicted order of finish: 1) France, 2) Croatia, 3) Poland, 4) Spain, 5) Brazil, 6) China

[b]Group B: [/b]As in Group A, the four European teams, Denmark, Germany, Russia and Iceland are big favorites to advance. Both Egypt and South Korea, however, do stand an outside chance of advancing. South Korea can take confidence in their two recent victories against Poland and Egypt as well as their performance in 2004 where they beat both Russia and Iceland. Egypt can also look back at their victory earlier this summer against Germany. Also, Russian and Iceland are the “weakest” European sides in the tournament, so if anyone is going to crash the European party in the quarterfinals, it will be Egypt or South Korea. I’ll go out on a limb and give the Koreans the surprise quarter final slot. Being an Asian team playing in Asia has got to help.

Predicted order of finish 1) Denmark, 2) Germany, 3) Iceland, 4) South Korea, 5) Russia, 6) Egypt

[b]A note on the format: [/b] As the tournament progresses it will probably be pretty clear which 8 teams will make the quarter finals. As a result this will place less meaning on some of the games in pool play. Even worse, if a top team like France or Croatia stumbles a bit in group play to 3rd place overall in their group, the teams in the other group might not be so excited to place 2nd and face that top team in the quarterfinals. Also as France will attest from their experience in Athens, running the table with a 5-0 record in Group play means zilch if you stumble in the quarter finals to a 2-3 Russian side. So in effect, the real tournament starts in the Quarterfinals. And with 5 games over 10 days, teams will ease up in the latter stages of group play to make sure they are well rested for the 8 team knockout tournament.

[b]Gold Medal Prediction: [/b] To anyone who has followed my predictions in the last few major tournaments it will be no surprise that I’m picking France to win it all. This prediction has come up short lately, but I’m sticking with it. It’s quite simple really. If you’ve got the best court player in the world, Nikola Karabatic, the best goalie in the world, Thierry Ohmeyer, and the best defensive court player in the world, Didier Dinart, then by God, you should win the Gold Medal. And, oh by the way, the Gilles brothers, Luc Abalo, Michel Guigou , etc. aren’t too shabby either. Adding to this, they will be looking to avenge Athens and their other recent defeats. Finally, China is the home team here, so they won’t have the home court advantage excuse either that they had in their loss to Germany at the World Championships. So here’s another prediction, if France doesn’t win the Gold Medal, Head Coach, Claude Onesta will be looking for new employment.

As far as the Silver and Bronze medal, I will go with Croatian taking the Silver and Denmark the bronze. Croatian success, however, will hinge on their starting 7 staying healthy.

Earlier Women’s Olympic Preview: https://teamhandballnews.com/news.php?item.519