2015 PANAM Games: San Antonio?

This article from the San Antonio Express-News highlights some of the politics behind San Antonio’s failed bid to host the 2007 PANAM Games. The article also discusses Rio’s staging of the current games and its desire to use it as a showcase in support of their bid for the 2016 Olympics. Additionally, the leaders of San Antonio’s failed bid for the 2007 games indicate that San Antonio might consider bidding for the 2015 games as long as they don’t have to compete against another US city and the Pan American Sports Organization allows them to run unopposed for final selection by the delegates, similar to Guadalajara’s 2011 selection. https://teamhandballnews.com/news.php?item.103

Commentary: While the Pan Am Games is a minor event for many sports, it is a very important for Team Handball as the Gold Medal winner secures the one guaranteed Pan American slot for the Olympics. A lot can happen in 8 years time and the IHF could try and change the qualification rules again. For those out there that don’t think the US can turn things around its Handball program in four years, hosting this critical tournament in eight could secure USA qualification for 2016. Of course, if Chicago is selected to host then the USA would be in by default.

San Antonio Express-News Article: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories/MYSA061907.1D.PanAmGames.folo.39cd438.html

USA Women: What Happened and What’s Next?

Following the twin disappointments this year of failing to qualify for the Pan Am Games and the 2007 World Championships the USA Women’s National Team is at a crossroads. What happened and what’s next?

I hope to interview the current (Dawn Lewis) and former coach (Christian Latulippe), as well as Mike Cavanaugh, the USOC High Performance Handball Director once I get settled back in the US. In the interim I’ll pose a few questions and possible answers from my perspective.

[b]Did the US Women have a realistic chance to qualify for the Pan Am Games or the World Championships?[/b]

Answer: Yes. Looking at the scores and the write-ups of the matches that were played one can conclude that they had a legitimate shot at qualifying for both tournaments. For the Pan Am Games beating Canada 2 out of 3 was unlikely, but they are a better team than Mexico. They certainly proved that they could beat Mexico in a neutral setting in the Dominican Republic. I can only speculate as to whether the coaching change prior to the 2nd chance tournament in Mexico impacted the outcome of that tournament. In terms of qualifying for the World Championships it has been noted in the comments section of one of our write-ups that the US Women’s team was leading Paraguay by 4 in the 2nd half. If they had held on to that lead they would have qualified.

[b]Did the US Women have a realistic chance to qualify for the 2008 Olympic Games?[/b]

Answer: No. The gap in terms of both raw athletic talent and experience between the US and Brazil was simply too great. And the same can be said for the rest of the PATHF. Nobody is going to beat Brazil in Rio this summer at the Pan Am Games and no team will likely lose by less than double digits. The 2nd place and possibly the 3rd place team will have a chance in an Olympic qualification tournament, but they will likely face the difficult task of having to beat a European team in Europe. It is also extremely unlikely that a PATHF nation, other than Brazil, will place in 7th or higher at the World Championships. Bottom line: Barring some bizarre disqualification, the sole PATHF rep at the Olympics will be Brazil.

[b]What are the chances for the US Women to qualify for the 2012 Olympics?[/b]

Answer: There’s always a chance, but there are simply too many unknowns to accurately predict the likelihood of qualifying. In simple terms a combination of either the US fielding a better team and/or Brazil and other PATHF foes dropping down a bit will be needed.

[b]What are the prospects of Brazil and other PATHF foes fielding weaker teams?[/b]

Answer: It’s possible, but I wouldn’t count on it. The quality of national teams often runs in cycles, but Brazil appears to have developed a national program which is developing quality youth athletes that feed into their national program. Additionally, many of their players will continue to likely gain valuable experience overseas. To a lesser extent other nations like Argentina have followed Brazil’s example, but are more within reach of the US program.

[b]What are the prospects for the US to field a team that can qualify for 2012?[/b]

Answer: Unknown. Four years provides some time to put together a credible program, but the current picture looks bleak. USOC management at the 2006 National Championships Town Hall meeting indicated that following USA Team Handball’s decertification they had actually considered dropping the Women’s program. In the end, they decided to continue to fund the program with limited resources. Now that the program has definitively failed to qualify for the 2008 Olympics continued funding is in question. Also based on recent performance it is highly doubtful that a more competitive program could be created anyway at the current level of funding. Adding even more uncertainty are the USOC plans to turn over control of day to day handball operations to a new organization later this year. Perhaps this new organization will quickly and innovatively develop a competitive national team, but this remains to be seen.

[b]What is the tournament schedule for the Women leading up to the 2012 Olympics?[/b]

Answer: Assuming the calendar follows past precedent, the following tournaments will be staged prior to the 2012 Olympics

2008 Pan American Div 2 Championships (Winter?)
2009 Pan American Championships (May?) (Qualification for Dec 2009 WC)
2009 World Championships (December) China
2010 Pan Am Games Qualification (Winter?)
2011 Pan American Championships (May?) Qualification for Dec 2011 WC)
2011 Pan Am Games (Summer) in Guadalajara, Mexico (Qualification for 2012 Olympics)
2011 World Championships (December) Location TBD
2012 Olympics (August) London

Some question marks in terms of timing, as well as whether there would be a Division 2 tournament for the Pan American Championships. According to the old newsletters of the PATHF the plan was that the bottom 2 teams from the Pan American Championships would have to participate in a Div 2 tournament, in which the top 2 team would qualify for the Pan American Championships. As only 8 teams wanted to participate at the last championships it’s quite possible that there won’t be a Division 2 tournament.

This schedule adds further uncertainty as the next meaningful tournament is likely two years away. In light of this dry spell, one could argue that perhaps this is an opportune time to change management and implement changes to the current program. In terms of Olympic qualification the Pan Am Game in Mexico in 2011 will be the most important test.

[b]What does the US [i][u]need[/u][/i] to do in order to field a better team?[/b]

Answer: The US needs better athletes, more experienced athletes, top level coaching and top level competition on a regular basis.

[b][i][u]How[/u][/i] does the US field a better team?[/b]

Answer: There are a number of different models and strategies that could be employed and several have been tried in the past with varying degrees of success. As answering this question would take awhile, I’ll save an extended discourse on this question for a future post. In short, however, no matter what model and strategy you choose, it will need funding in order to be executed properly.

London to Host Top Level Club Handball Action

The reigning Hungarian League Champion and perennial EHF Champions League participant Veszprem will take on Danish 1st Division side Viborg in an exhibition match in London on 25 August. The match is being sponsored by WorldHandball.com www.worldhandball.com and is intended to help broaden the exposure of the sport as they continue their preparation for the London Olympics in 2012. The venue for the match is the Crystal Palace and the England National Team will play against a UK all-star team prior to the main event

This match is likely the highest level club handball match to ever take place in a non-traditional handball nation. The move mimics the efforts of several American sports leagues which have staged games in Europe and Asia as well as European Soccer sides which have gone on tour. Hopefully, this will be just the start of a marketing wave that will see matches take place in other locales around the world.

Veszprem Website: http://www.mkbveszprem.hu/
Viborg Website: http://www.vhk.dk/
Tickets: www.britishhandball.com

European Playoffs: Danish Women Fail to Qualify for World Championships

With the professional leagues over for the season the European Handball nations are playing (or have played) qualifiers for the 2007 Women’s World Championship in France (December) and the Men’s Euro 2008 Championship in Norway (January).

The Women’s qualifiers are over with the major news being 3 time Olympic Champion Denmark failing to qualify in their 2 game playoff versus Ukraine. Denmark managed only a draw match 30-30 at home and Ukraine beat the Danes 28-24 on the return leg. Denmark is also the home of the top Women’s club league, so there is sure to a lot of hand wringing about how the importing of foreign players into their league has damaged the Women’s program by hindering the development of home grown players. Several other matches were very close on aggregate, with Macedonia edging Belarus by 1 goal and Poland edging Serbia by 2. The 24 Women’s teams that have qualified are now complete and the draw will be later this month in Paris.
http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idcat=57&idart=732

The Men’s qualifiers are only half-way over. Of particular note is Montenegro’s 2 goal away win in Portugal. Assuming they can hold serve at home, this new nation will qualify for their first major tournament.
http://www.eurohandball.com/te_ko.asp?Bewerb=249&Runde=2&Ret=bew

2007-08 Champions League Seeding and Schedule

The EHF has revealed the seeding and schedule for next year's Champions League. http://cms.eurohandball.com/PortalData/1/Resources/2_cl/3_download_pdf/MCL.pdf

A few notes:

– Notably next year's tournament will have two rounds of Group Play instead of one. The second round should be a real treat with the top 8 teams playing a double round robin. This will avoid a Ciudad Real – Portland San Antonio quarter final, as happened this year.

– The potential for a legitimate group of death exists with the 4th German side Gummersbach being placed in the 3rd pool. As clubs from the same nation can't meet in the first round of Group Play, however it is not a guarantee and a possible group of death would consist of 1 German, 1 Spanish club and a top club from another nation (Celje and Montpellier are two possibilities)

– The top 2 groups will contain some weaker sides. Notably, Ivry (FR) which surprised Montpellier this season will be a dramatically weaker side with the Abalo moving to Spain and Oskarsson switch to French side Nimes.

2007 Women's Pan Am Championships Final Results

Brazil again showed their PATHF dominance with another gold medal. Argentina took second and the Dominican Republic took third. Paraguay will join those three nations at the World Championship this December in France. Canada, USA, and Mexico had disappointing results, finishing 6th, 7th, and 8th respectively.

Results and statistics are available at the PATHF website: www.panamhandball.net
http://www.panamhandball.net/RESULTADOS_PAN_SENIOR_FEM_073.doc

Women´s Pan Am Championships (Day 3 Results)

Surprising Paraguay joined Brazil in qualifying for the World Championships by holding the USA to a tie. They join Argentina and the host Dominican Republic from Group A. How surprising is Paraguay´s performance. Consider that their program had not participated in any recent tournaments until last year´s South American Championships. https://teamhandballnews.com/comment-n193.html

Group A
ARG 17 – 21 URU
DOM 26 – 19 MEX

Group B
USA 23 – 23 PAR
BRA 37 – 17 CAN

Group A (Final Standings)
ARG 2 0 1 4 Pts 65:57 +8
DOM 2 0 1 4 Pts 75:71 +4
URU 1 1 1 3 Pts 69:66 +3
MEX 0 1 2 1 Pts 55:70 -15

Group B (Final Standings)
BRA 3 0 0 6 Pts 124:40 +84
PAR 1 1 1 3 Pts 58:88 -30
CAN 1 0 2 2 Pts 66:89 -23
USA 0 1 2 1 Pts 63:94 -31

Semifinal Matchups
Brazil vs Dominican Republic
Argentina vs Paraguay

Consolation Semifinals
Uruguay vs USA
Canada vs Mexico

Women’s Pan American Championships (Scenarios for Day 3)

[b]Group A [/b]

Argentina has qualified for the semifinals. If Argentina beats Uruguay: Dominican Republic qualifies if they tie or beat Mexico. Mexico qualifies if they beat the Dominican Republic.

Uruguay must beat Argentina in order to qualify and then have Mexico beat the Dominican Republic

[b]Group B[/b]
Brazil has essentially qualified as they would have to lose by 36 to Canada to finish in 3rd place. Paraguay will qualify with a win or a tie vs. the United States. In the event of a USA victory , Paraguay, Canada and the USA will be level on points. The next applicable tie breaker will be head to head goal differential. The current standings for this is:

Paraguay 1 0 0 2pts 23 18 +5
Canada 1 0 1 2pts 49 52 -3
USA 0 0 1 0pts 29 31 -2

The USA can qualify if they beat Paraguay by 4 goals. Paraguay will qualify if they lose by 3 goals or less. Canada is eliminated in this scenario as they are locked in at -3 goal differential. Canada’s only hope to qualify therefore is a victory over unbeaten Brazil and then a USA victory or a draw against Paraguay.

Woman's Pan Am (Day 2) –

Brasil demolishes US by 29 goals. Canada falls short to Paraguay.

[color=#ff0000]A Uruguay – Mexico 24 – 24
A Rep.Dominicana – Argentina 24 – 28 [/color]

[color=#0000ff]B Canada – Paraguay 18 – 23
B Brasil – USA 40 – 11 [/color]

[color=#ff0000]Group A
ARG 2 0 0 4 Pts 48:36 +12
DOR 1 1 0 2 Pts 49:52 – 3
URU 0 1 1 1 Pts 48:49 -1
MEX 0 1 1 1 Pts 36:44 -8[/color]

[color=#0000ff]Group B

BRA 2 0 0 4 Pts 87:23 +64
[b][u]CAN 1 0 1 2 Pts 49:52 -3[/u][/b]
PAR 1 0 1 2 Pts 35:65 -30
[u][b]USA 0 0 2 0 Pts 40:71 -31[/b][/u][/color]

Women’s Pan American Championships Results (Day 1)

[b]Group A[/b]
Argentina 20, Mexico 12
Dominican Republic 25, Uruguay 24
[b]
Group B[/b]
Canada 31, USA 29
Brazil 47, Paraguay 12

[b]Standings[/b]

[b]Group A[/b]
Nation W D L Points GF GA GD
Argentina 1 0 0 2Pts 20 12 +8
Dominican Republic 1 0 0 2Pts 25 24 +1
Uruguay 0 0 1 0Pts 24 25 -1
Mexico 0 0 1 0 0Pts 12 20 -8

[b]Group B[/b]
Brazil 1 0 0 2Pts 47 12 +35
Canada 1 0 0 2Pts 31 29 +2
USA 0 0 1 0Pts 29 31 -2
Paraguay 0 0 1 0 Pts 12 47 -35

WNT – PAN AM GAMES: BREAKING NEWS

In what has to be another huuuuge let down for the WNT, the USA squad lost their first PAN AM game by 2 goals to CANADA.
[b][color=#ff0000][size=12]Final score: CANADA 31 : USA 29[/size][/color][/b]
What now?
Hate to sound defeatist but unless our women can win the next 2 group games (vs. Brasil and vs. Paraguay, respectively), it's all for naught!!!
Our sport is in dire need of a miracle… LET'S GO USA!!!!

What’s a Typical Salary for a Professional Team Handball Player?

This questioned can best be answered by going to the sports section in the newspaper “Europe Today” Similar to the “USA Today” salaries database  which lists the salary of every professional player in the 4 major US spots, Europe Today also has the salary listed for every Team Handball player in each National League, thus providing an interesting and handy guide to compare and contrast player value.

Oh, if it were only that simple! Such a list doesn’t exist as far as I know. And prior to moving to France I’d never read anything, anywhere which discussed compensation, even in broad, general terms. I had heard, word of mouth, anecdotal information about the great salaries that players had in Europe, but was always skeptical. Now using some data from the French HandAction Magazine and L’Equipe (Lance Armstong’s and my favorite sports newspaper) here’s my analysis of handball salaries along with a few choice questions that can help put things in perspective.

Question #1a: Which is greater, French NBA Basketball player Tony Parker’s 2006 salary or the entire operating budget for Montpellier Handball, the top club program in France?
Answer: Tony Parker. Tony Parker made 9.8M Euros in 2006, and Montpellier’s entire budget is 3.5M Euros. In fact, Tony Parker also could fund the next 3 teams in the French league. And when Boris Diaw of the Phoenix Suns signs a new contract, together, they could probably fund the entire league.

Question #1b: Which is greater, German NBA player, Dirk Nowitzki’s salary or the entire operating budget for Kiel, the Champion’s League winner.
Answer: Dirk Nowitzki. The top German clubs have budgets of 5 to 6 Million Euros. With $13.8M this year the NBA MVP, could also handle the budget for their Champions League opponent Flensburg.

Question #1c: Which is greater, Spanish NBA player, Pau Gasol Salary or Ciudad Real’s entire operating budget
Answer: Paul Gasol. The top Spanish clubs also have a budget of 5 to 6 Million Euros. Paul Gasol with $10.9M this year, however couldn’t fund two top teams like Dirk.

The point of these 3 questions is to once and for all highlight while European Club Handball is the best in the world it is financially small time compared to the major professional sports in the United States.  In fact, it could probably be argued that minor sports like Arena Football and Major League Lacrosse are comparable to the European Handball Leagues. This can also be said, however, for just about every sport in Europe except soccer.

Question #2: What’s the average salary for a player in the French 1st Division?
Answer: According to UFF Sport Conseil: 27,000 Euros/year.

While this is the average salary, I think it’s also important to look further behind these numbers. For instance, it’s possible to guesstimate what the athletes make at the top end by looking at L’Equipe’s annual listing of the top 5 salaries for French athletes in each sport. In particular, it’s worth noting that all of the athletes listed are playing in either Spain or Germany and that the 5th place athlete, Barcelona Backcourt player Jerome Fernandez compensation in 2004 was listed at 140,000 Euros. So, it’s safe to say that no one playing in France, with the possible exception of Jackson Richardson is making 140,000 Euros.

Based on the fact that the French League is keeping a few of their top native players home and was able to sign Tunisian standout Wissem Hmam, I’m guessing that there are probably 15 top players making 50-100,000 Euros. This guess is based on the logic that these players need compensation in that range in order to keep them from signing with German and Spanish league teams. Below this top tier there is probably a middle tier of 45 players making 15,000-50,000 Euros/year. These players are not a threat to jump to a foreign league, but they need this compensation to make a decent living in Europe. Rounding out the league, I’m guessing there is a 3rd tier of about 100 players receiving under 15,000 Euros a year. These players are typically the youngest players and are often University students. The composition of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd tier players varies from club to club. I would speculate that Montpellier is composed entirely of 1st and 2nd tier players, while the teams at the bottom of the standings are composed entirely of 2nd and 3rd tier players.

Question #3: What’s the average salary for a player in Germany and Spain’s 1st Division Leagues?

Answer: Greater than 27,000 Euros/year. How much greater, though, I’m not sure. I’m less intimately familiar with the Spanish and German leagues, but I think it’s safe to say that the same three tiers of players apply in these leagues as well, with one significant difference: the compensation for 1st tier players is significantly higher. As France has one of the best National Teams in the world right now, the compensation that Top French players are paid in Germany/Spain is indicative as to what is being paid at the high end in those leagues. Jackson Richardson’s compensation for Spanish Club, Portland San Antonio in 2004 was 530,000 Euros and in 2005 was 425,000 Euros. As an iconic figure in Handball, I would argue that a good portion of his 2004 contract was probably more related to his ability to fill seats, as while he was still a great player, he was on the tail end of his career. Didier Dinart is paid 217,000 Euros for Ciudad Real as a defensive specialist and Jerome Fernandez is paid probably around 170,000 Euros (based on his 140,000 Euros in 2004) So for the top clubs in Spain, the top players are making 150,000-500,000 Euros/year.

In Germany, the Gilles brothers (Guillame and Bertrand) both make roughly 220,000 Euros/year playing for Hamburg. Nikola Karbatic, is making around 229,000 Euros. So for Germany, I would guess that the top players are making 180,000 to 300,000 Euros.

Spain’s top teams, Ciudad Real, Portland San Antonio and Barcelona have been known to outbid German clubs for their star players, but they were recently unsuccessful in luring Karabatic away from Kiel. My guess is that the top players for those 3 Spanish sides are paid more than the Bundesliga stars, but that the Bundesliga has a larger cluster of players being paid around 200,000 Euros. Another factor, however, that would have to be considered is the lower cost of living in Spain that would also translate into a higher salary in real terms.

In terms of salaries in Germany and Spain for the middle tier and lower tier of players, I’m guessing that the overall compensation is higher, but not that much higher than France. The logic being that there are not a lot of 2nd tier players jumping over from foreign countries for a better salary. The big difference is at the top end for the star players at the key positions.

Which player positions get paid more? 

Answer: Typically the highest paid players are backcourt players with a proven ability to put the ball in the back of the net from 9 meters. The logic being that you can always find somebody to play circle and wing, but you can’t always find a good scoring backcourt. When a new player starts playing, this is also typically where he’s placed on the court. There is certainly a lot of logic to this and I would bet that this is true for the preponderance of Professional Teams. The very top teams with more of a budget, however, can afford to also pay top dollar for wings, circles, and goalkeepers.

Foreign Player Assumption: I’m guessing that 8 times out of 10 the most compensated player on a team is a foreign player. The logic being that the only reason a club is going to be willing to have a non-native player, who may not speak the language, and will need extra attention to adjust to an unfamiliar environment, is because he’s a really good player. And really good players are usually paid more than just good players.

Final Thoughts:  Admittedly there’s a lot of guesswork with these numbers. If anybody has better numbers that can be documented please let me know.

L’Equipe’s Annual Top 5 Salary List for French Handball Players

Calendar Year 2004
1) Jackson Richardson, Portland San Antonio (ESP), 530,000 Euros
2) Bertrand Gille, Hamburg (GER), 225,000 Euros
3) Guillaume Gille, Hamburg (GER), 220,000 Euros
4) Didier Dinart, Montpellier (FRA)/Ciudad Real (ESP), 164,000 Euros
5) Jerome Fernandez, Barcelona (ESP), 140,000 Euros

Calendar Year 2005
1) Jackson Richardson, Portland San Antonio (ESP)/ Chambery (FRA), 425,000 Euros
2) Guillaume Gille, Hamburg (GER), 230,000 Euros
3) Bertrand Gille, Hamburg (GER), 215,000 Euros
4) Nikola Karabatic, Montpellier (FRA)/ Kiel (GER), 197,000 Euros
5) Didier Dinart, Ciudad Real (ESP), 187,000 Euros

Calendar Year 2006
1) Bertrand Gille, Hamburg (GER), 255,000 Euros
2) Nikola Karabatic, Kiel (GER), 229,000 Euros
3) Guillaume Gille, Hamburg (GER), 219,000 Euros
4) Didier Dinart, Ciudad Real (ESP), 217,000 Euros
5) Daniel Narcisse, Gummersbach (GER), 209,000 Euros